Restart loop

[armaster]

Hi,

I would like to use Nome II in live performance to sync it with the band. Nome II would be connected to the sequencer with 1 to N bar loops.
In case if the band change tempo, I can do it by tap tempo on external pedal but in some situations, I just need to sync Nome to the first note of the bar - restart loop from beginning.

I set PEd to PLA and rES setting to ON, which starts the sequencer on the first tamp on external pedal. But on the next tap it stops the sequencer. I could use two quick taps on external pedat but It's not so conviniant.

Any chance to add new option in PE.2 to start the seqiencer from beginning (sendng FCFA MIDI command) each time exterlan pedal #2 is tapped?
PEd would be used to tap tempo with external pedal #1 to sync with band when tempo changes, but PE.2 would be used to restart sequencer to beginning each time, external pedal #2 s taped.

Or any other way to sync Nome 2 to the band without changing (tapping) tempo. Maybee using PAd inP setting where the first hit on the pad will restart sequencer, the following hits would change tempo?

BTW: I enabled the hidden settings. If I set inP to PEd, i can see PAd and P.A.d., but if I set inP to PAd or P.A.d., I can not see PEd, only PE.2. Should be PEd instead of PE.2 or both?

Thanks for reading this and best regards.

[Simon]

Hi!

Well done digging deep into the settings, I do not think a lot of people have done that before

Let me start with this:

BTW: I enabled the hidden settings. If I set inP to PEd, i can see PAd and P.A.d., but if I set inP to PAd or P.A.d., I can not see PEd, only PE.2. Should be PEd instead of PE.2 or both?

Basically the "INPUT" plug is a TRS (stereo) plug, which has two wires: the Tip (or Left) and the Ring (or Right).

• The setting "inP" controls the Tip/Left, which can be either a pedal (PEd), a drum pad (PAd or P.A.d.), or an audio sync input (24P). When you set it to "PEd" then you can control what the actual pedal will do with the other setting called PEd (which can be mute/unmute, play/stop, or tap tempo)
• The setting "PE.2" controls the Ring/Right, which is always a pedal that can act as mute/unmute or play/stop

To use both input (i.e. pedal 1) and 2 you need either a double pedal with a TRS plug, or a Y adapter TRS -> 2x TS.


Now regarding what you are trying to do:

1. First I believe you will be very interested in that new "smart tap tempo" feature coming in FW 5.0 - viewtopic.php?t=268
   It might be some time before it's there (development has not started on this yet), but once it's there you could simply keep tap the tempo anytime during a performance until your synths to catch up with the band, without having to restart them.
2. For now I believe that your best option would be to use a drum pad in the P.A.d. mode, as you would indeed be able to tap one bar (for example 1 2 3 4 1) and on the next "1" that will reset the Nome's metronome. You can see this video showing how the drum pad works: https://youtu.be/hkw9dmLfkZQ?t=406

Regarding point 2, looking at the code I believe tapping 1 2 3 4 1 only resets the metronome and will not send MIDI stop & start to your synths, but I think it should (that would make more sense since the metronome is resync'ed), and if you decide to go this way I will consider this as a bug and solve it in the coming FW 4.0 release.

Let me know what you choose how it goes

Cheers
Simon

[armaster]

To use both input (i.e. pedal 1) and 2 you need either a double pedal with a TRS plug, or a Y adapter TRS -> 2x TS.

If I understood right: in case of inP=PEd I can use two pedals, in case if inP=PAd or P.A.d), I can use only one drum pad (combination of pad and another pedal is not supported despite stereo TRS connector)?

Regarding point 2, looking at the code I believe tapping 1 2 3 4 1 only resets the metronome and will not send MIDI stop & start to your synths, but I think it should (that would make more sense since the metronome is resync'ed), and if you decide to go this way I will consider this as a bug and solve it in the coming FW 4.0 release.

Yes, this would be great solution. I was testing this scenario: Nome II with external drum pad (inP=P.A.d) connected to Roland MC101 via MIDI cable but on Roland MC101 only the tempo was changed while on Nome II the tempo and metronome's first beat was changed. I will try to check MIDI output when tapping 1 2 3 4 1 just in case if I missed something.

BTW: I found that tapping the tempo in pedal is much more easy (with foot) instead of tapping pad while playing. So two pedals (one for tapping tempo, another to start from beginning (sending stop/start MIDI command) would be more handy for me. I would be happy if it is possible to implement this.

Thanks for your effort!

[Simon]

My pleasure!

If I understood right: in case of inP=PEd I can use two pedals, in case if inP=PAd or P.A.d), I can use only one drum pad (combination of pad and another pedal is not supported despite stereo TRS connector)?

No you can always use the second pedal PE.2. Either with another pedal (PEd), with a drum pad (PAd/P.A.d.) or with an audio/analog signal (24P). You'll just need that Y adapter TRS->2xTS to separate the two parts of the INPUT plug.

only the tempo was changed while on Nome II the tempo and metronome's first beat was changed

Yes that makes sense. Note that the time signature is also updated (if you tap 1 2 3 1 for example).

I've created an official bug for it and I've added it to the FW 4.0 roadmap, so unless something goes wrong it should be fixed in FW 4.0 by the end of January.

BTW: I found that tapping the tempo in pedal is much more easy (with foot) instead of tapping pad while playing. So two pedals (one for tapping tempo, another to start from beginning (sending stop/start MIDI command) would be more handy for me.

Yes this is possible. But the start/stop pedal will not do a resync unless you tap it twice as the first tap will stop the sequencers while the second tap will reset/start as you noticed yourself. I suggest you make a separate topic if you want that specific feature (i.e. adding a pedal mode which only does reset every time it is pressed), but I personally think this is very specific use and doubt anybody else would be interested.

Note that there are more ways you can do a reset, sending a MIDI message over USB is a way for example.

[armaster]

Yes this is possible. But the start/stop pedal will not do a resync unless you tap it twice as the first tap will stop the sequencers while the second tap will reset/start as you noticed yourself. I suggest you make a separate topic if you want that specific feature (i.e. adding a pedal mode which only does reset every time it is pressed), but I personally think this is very specific use and doubt anybody else would be interested.

That was in may mind. To create another pedal mode in PEd and PE.2 which would send (FC, F2 00 00, FA) MIDI comand. Or even better, to have user custom pedal mode for example PEd=CUS, where user can set any MIDI command. Maybe I went too far but It wuld be a great future.

[Simon]

You're all correct - smartly thought I must say
And yes unfortunately the PE.t affects both pedals. You could go around it by using a drum pad to tap the tempo, and a pedal to do the play/stop function.

If you're a handy person, you could make your own "drum pad" using a piezoelectric sensor, which you could put in a flat pedal so that you can tap the tempo using your foot. Using any drum trigger will also work (as they also use piezo sensors).

Or you could get another device to set the tempo by sending MIDI commands to the Nome (for now only possible over USB as there is no MIDI input).

[armaster]

Hi,

I found the way to restart loop with one tap on external pedal :

Using SUSTAIN pedal, set inP to PEd and PEd=PLA and then set PE.t=LAt (not SuS). Now each tme I tap on pedal, Nome detect as two taps and send stop folowing reset/srart. Tested wth Roland MC101 and it works.

But PE.t=LAt is setting taffect o PEd and PE.2 at the same time? So PE.2 will also act at latched pedal? Is it possible so set pedal type (PE.t) separately for pedal 1 (PEd) and pedal 2 (PE.2).

With this configuration, I could use pedal 1 (PEd=tAP, PE.t=SuS) to tap tempo, pedal 2 (PE.2=PLA, PE.t=LAt) to restart loop. Ths would be great solution for me. Any chance to implement this or is already implemented? Currently I dont have two pedals to test.

[Simon]

Yes I'm not sure what happened with the posts but I replied to this in my last post above.
There are lots of ways to configure the device I really believe you can find a way that works for you

If you want to make an official feature request about the double PE.t setting, please create a separate thread. Note thought that the process regarding which feature gets implemented, is heavily based on the community interest, so with this being so specific I can already say it has very little chance of being implemented.